Sonic XG Is Here.

Sir Euan · 08-13-2007, 09:32 PM

A little buggy, too tired to explain, tis 2.30am, was at work today.

Me and Joe worked our arses off, enjoy it.

HAHAHAHAHAH

http://www.williamg.plus.com/SXGWEBSITE/

http://www.williamg.plus.com/SXGWEBSITE/SXGDEMO1.zip

PS. oh yeah one bugs is the powerup music is screwy, will fix for demo 2, prolly coming 2012

rael edit: The link above doesn't work, Azu rehosted it for us: http://www.infdrm.e2u.cc/files/Hosted/SXGDEMO1.rar

The Taxman · 08-13-2007, 09:42 PM

Ok played it! I guessed the doomsday zone hehe

The graphics and presentation are absolutely top notch, love the menus and title cards. The game really has a feel of continuing on from S3k, awesome. The boss was pretty simple, but the looming Death Egg distracted me hah.

Anyway, my only gripe so far is in the special stage. I don't know how you're doing the movement of the objects, but it doesn't look like convincing 3D perspective. Are you using Z values? If not, you should consider using a simple 3D projection equation:

ScreenX=(XPos*ScreenWidth )/ZPos
ScreenY=(YPos*ScreenHeigh t)/ZPos

(you may want to use values a bit lower or greater for ScreenWidth and Height if you want to adjust the perspective shape)

this should work even without floating point numbers

Sir Euan · 08-13-2007, 09:45 PM

holy crap the taxman likes SXG, well hopefully still will after you play it.

Tweaker · 08-13-2007, 09:59 PM

Kinky. A bit laggy on my end, but nothing that a bit of optimization couldn't help.

Darkwing Duck · 08-13-2007, 10:01 PM

Graphically very flashy and nice. Level design is fairly classy too. A tad light on gimmicks, and the boss to final fall is a tad plain for my tastes, but whoa the intro for Sonic redoing DDZ from S3K was pretty craze.

Kept me entertained until I entered the special stage ring with Knuckles. I assume it always just whites over when that happens.

Sir Euan · 08-13-2007, 10:04 PM

special stages work fine here =S

Sorry, im forgetting stuff to mention cos im nackared. The boss is really only 1/2 complete, needs another attack added. However it is just the first boss, so we didn't want it to be really complex or hard.

Darkwing Duck · 08-13-2007, 10:07 PM

Yeah, and it did... with Sonic. Then for some reason the screen went white with Knux and it just stayed there.

Eh, we had our share of bugs too. Its bound to happen as projects of this scale get more complicated.

tentril · 08-13-2007, 10:14 PM

I don't know if this was a problem that only I experienced, but the controls were really laggy. If I pressed left and right a bunch of times and then stopped Sonic would keep walking around even after I stopped pressing anything. I found jumping very difficult because of this. Besides that it was really fun.

TRD · 08-13-2007, 10:27 PM

Amazing game. The only problems I had was the lagging and the input delay in the second and third act. But other than that, amazing stuff.

I always love original music as well, and it was great.

Overbound · 08-13-2007, 10:31 PM

Holy... That was by far the best thing that was or was suposed to be at Sage. Just because its what I do I have to think of something bad to say. This was not easy but I thought of 2 things:
I'm not big on the walking animation for Sonic and you slide too fast when getting ready to wall jump.
Holy shit that is amazing stuff.

... is that SRB2?

Spike · 08-13-2007, 10:36 PM

This is the best. This wins my favorite SAGE submission, as I imagined it would. My only complaints:

Final Fall music is really, really short. It looped about 5 times in each act (Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't fade out so long and then stay quiet)
Sonic's walking animation is weird. His head and body remain totally stationary while his feet and hands shuffle.
You start out in the Doomsday Zone? I know if fits with the story, but it's just... odd...

God, what a fungasm.

Darkwing Duck · 08-13-2007, 10:38 PM

I take it you both missed Retro then.

Spike · 08-13-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DimensionWarped

I take it you both missed Retro then.

I saw it, I posted a review in fact.

Overbound · 08-13-2007, 10:57 PM

No I played Retro its awesome. But it seems like I've been playing Egg Garden for years... oh I have and Emerald hill I've played a few times since 1992 too. Don't get me wrong its got a great engine too better then XG (MMF duh!). But the XG engine works well and I loved the levels it was just fantastic.

BlazeHedgehog · 08-13-2007, 11:02 PM

That's it. It's over. Done.

Nobody needs to make another fangame ever again.

Slingerland · 08-13-2007, 11:53 PM

Before I continue with talking about XG, I'd like to point out the two-face of a few people. Not once have I read stupid comments in this thread that I received in my thread, such as boss originality, badniks, and the like. Those stupid complaints apply here too. Where are they? Does Euan not get the bitch treatment? Were you all blinded by the pretty colors? Are these trivial gripes that I am referring to? Yes, but I thought I'd just point that out there.

OK, Euan, that was kinda worth the wait. I can't really say anything new that hasn't already been said, except for that the swinging balls were confusing. I couldn't tell if they were a gimmick or a hazard. Upon experimenting, it made me lose my rings. Something to make that more clear would be nice.

I'll have more analysis later.

That's all I got for now...I gotta get back to packing.

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You start out in the Doomsday Zone? I know if fits with the story, but it's just... odd...

LOL THE REEEEAL SONIC 4

Darkwing Duck · 08-13-2007, 11:56 PM

Well Slingerland, you know people are naturally going to like a simple grassy level more than something that has you underwater for 70% of the level. Its just you know... natural.

Overbound · 08-14-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingerland

Before I continue with talking about XG, I'd like to point out the two-face of a few people. Not once have I read stupid comments in this thread that I received in my thread, such as boss originality, badniks, and the like. Those stupid complaints apply here too. Trivial problems? Yes, but I thought I'd just point that out there.

That's not true at all. At least for me. I never got stuck in a wall in this game. I could hardly find a bug when I played through this. Plus the whole thing was just on such grand a scale it was amazing.

Another thing I want to point out is. Why are you comparing your game to this game. There is no reason to compare Nexus to this game over any other fan game. Why don't you compare Nexus to Sonic 4 instead? Or Tikal and Chaos or hell go back to last year and compare it with Sonic Time Twisted.

Plus I don't mean to be rude but did you ever just think that maybe Nexus isn't as good this, so it got more complaints? That sounds harsh but some games are better then others. You don't see me complaining because people like Nexus better then Sonic Time Twisted. Does that mean Nexus is better then Time Twisted? In a word YES!

Fact of life your not always the best.

Slingerland · 08-14-2007, 12:12 AM

This is not about being the best. AT ALL. I despise fangaming "competition." You have misconstrued my point. What I said wasn't about fangaming comparison...it's the hypocrisy of a few of you and your comments. Not once did I compare the two games that you have mentioned, just the comments in their respective threads. I love this project and any others of XGs caliber, because I appreciate other people's hard work, which is what Euan has given us.

My point is that the stupid, meaningless comments, such as "your boss is clearly an edit," and other nitpicky gems, didn't appear in this thread.

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Why are you comparing your game to this game.

Why were you comparing XG to Retro a few posts up? Answer me that.

Darkwing Duck · 08-14-2007, 12:12 AM

If you got stuck in a wall in Nexus, there is something seriously wrong with your computer. That is not one of the fourtysomething bugs we had.

ila · 08-14-2007, 12:13 AM

Hey Overbound, Fuck you. You get your jollies out of posting shit topics like this http://www.sonicfangameshq.com/forum...ead.php?t=3235

Midiman · 08-14-2007, 12:26 AM

ok my ears are bleeding now, know why?

because apparently Knuckles's boss battle requires my sound volume to be at MAX instead of my comfortable 3%

=\

TRD · 08-14-2007, 12:36 AM

I also loved how no one is bitching about the badniks, when they're from Knuckles Chaotix, when Nexus' badniks were made by me.

And you hate them because they're fusions? Nope, you guys are just hypocrites:

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-Maybe this is just me because I tend to feel this way through a lot of fan games. However I'm not too big on the design of the badniks. I usually don't like fusion badniks and thats the case here too. They always seem too big.

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Actually, the truth is that I didn't really think the fusions looked that great either. i just didn't want to have to pull out my massive flame shield again.

Neo Hazard · 08-14-2007, 12:42 AM

Great game, had some lag the second act and would've loved to see that scrolling boss, but none the less, it was great. The special stages had an almost addictive effect and the presentation was GREAT. Good work.

Mr. Ksoft · 08-14-2007, 12:44 AM

I just played this.

I am speechless. IT IS AMAZING.

However, I came across a couple bugs.
-As Knuckles, I got to the tube after fighting Nack and didn't enter at a high speed, and kinda got stuck in limbo inside the tube cause I didn't have enough momentum. I couldn't get in or out of the tube, but eventually jerked back and forth enough and it suddenly shot me through at high speed.
-After that, I got to the part with the spring upwards where you grab and spin through the horizontal bars. Well, I got to the third one and Knuckles got stuck. I was at the Y position of the bar, and could only walk left and right. I had to reset here to get out.

Other than that, I am overcome with insane joy because this is, hands down, the best fangame I've played.

ila · 08-14-2007, 12:44 AM

Anyway don't get me wrong, this was a great fangame, and once again, at the top along with Nexus and Retro.

Darkwing Duck · 08-14-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Ksoft

Other than that, I am overcome with insane joy because this is, hands down, the best fangame I've played.

Looks like someone else forgot to play Retro.

Sindarin · 08-14-2007, 01:02 AM

This is some great fangame!
Love it how it starts from the Doomday zone.
I also love the background changing effect when you enter the secret cave.
The special stages were very nice presented.
My recommendation would be to present the game in fullscreen at start and disable that MMF menu completely. Add an options screen too.

Darkwing Duck · 08-14-2007, 01:05 AM

Um... no. Fullscreen at startup is retarded.

BlazeHedgehog · 08-14-2007, 01:15 AM

In my opinion, this beats Retro Sonic. Retro Sonic is awesome and everything, but this is driven home by one thing Retro Sonic, so far, ignores: Presentation.

Retro Sonic's presentation is decent, certainly. It's not bad. But this? This nails presentation, with it's flashy title cards, new-age-retro visual effects, and just... everything. Starting you out at the end of S3&K in the Doomsday Zone is genius and very reminiscent of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (which starts you out at the final boss of the previous game, Dracula X: Rondo of Blood, to serve as a prologue to the events in SOTN).

So what if most of the enemies are just throw-backs to currently existing Sonic stuff? It works, unlike most of the awkward new badniks people try to create.

If a gimmick isn't immediately recognizable that it will damage you, well, once it damages you once, you'll know, won't you? That's called learning, and trial-and-error in Sonic games isn't terribly unforgiving. Once I got hit by the swinging ball once, I never got hit by it ever again.

Most other fangames seem to get some of the things right - Sonic XG, at least judging by this demo, seems to get pretty much everything right.

Darkwing Duck · 08-14-2007, 01:24 AM

I disagree about this having better presentation. Graphics, sure. I mean, its very colorful. But overall, Retro comes off more solid when it comes to how you move and act throughout the stage. Take the smashing spike things for example... the don't seem very similar to any similar gimmick in Sonic with their motion and that results in more rapid, "cheaper" looking deaths.

Now, XG has some really nice effects, but for me, the advantages end at graphical effects.

BlazeHedgehog · 08-14-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DimensionWarped

I disagree about this having better presentation.

Well, like I said, Retro Sonic's presentation is pretty good. But it's just... I dunno. I can't say anything bad about Retro Sonic's presentation. BUT, Sonic XG's presentation is flashier. When that titlescreen comes up and you have the remastered Sonic & Knuckles Theme kick-up, it just evokes that feeling of "Holy shit YES. This is exactly what I've been waiting for in a fangame ever since I came to SFGHQ."

That's a good way to describe XG, actually. It's just one "Holy shit YES" moment after another, from the titlescreen, to the "Doomsday Zone" recap, the destruction of Angel Island...

And hopefully, beyond.

Overbound · 08-14-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BlazeHedgehog

So what if most of the enemies are just throw-backs to currently existing Sonic stuff? It works, unlike most of the awkward new badniks people try to create.

Nuff said.

Sling you asked "Does Euan not get the bitch treatment?" basically his game was better. I know that sounds mean but that's the honest answer to your question. Its better then mine too no biggy. Yes that is comparing your two games but that's the only way I know how to give you my honest answer. You also asked why I was comparing Retro and XG that was just in reply to DW if you read up a bit you will see that. All that being said you second post restated the question. To which I will reply that pointing out that your boss is an edit is dumb hell most of our whole games are edits.

ila I'm not going to dignify that with a response. We don't need a flame war.

Now I am done talking about this and I will not reply again with anything not relevant to the game. This is supposed to be a topic about the XG demo nothing more and I am going to try to respect that now.

Darkwing Duck · 08-14-2007, 01:57 AM

@Blaze

Come to think of it, your games tend to follow the whole presentation first motif as well. I like to have good presentation myself, but flashy isn't my emphasis so much as making something that feels tangible. Its hard to explain that though.

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Sling you asked "Does Euan not get the bitch treatment?" basically his game was better. I know that sounds mean but that's the honest answer to your question. Its better then mine too no biggy. Yes that is comparing your two games but that's the only way I know how to give you my honest answer. You also asked why I was comparing Retro and XG that was just in reply to DW if you read up a bit you will see that. All that being said you second post restated the question. To which I will reply that pointing out that your boss is an edit is dumb hell most of our whole games are edits.

Look look look, you bitched about specific things for one project and ignored them in another. That is called hypocrisy. No question. No excuses. No exceptions.

Slingerland · 08-14-2007, 02:01 AM

Dude. Overbound. You're a dick. You missed the point again...

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Look look look, you bitched about specific things for one project and ignored them in another. That is called hypocrisy. No question. No excuses. No exceptions.

QFT.

EDIT: This argument has been settled via PM with the point finally going across. Again, it wasn't fangame comparison...fangame thread content comparison. It shall die now.

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Originally Posted by BlazeHedgehog

Well, like I said, Retro Sonic's presentation is pretty good. But it's just... I dunno. I can't say anything bad about Retro Sonic's presentation. BUT, Sonic XG's presentation is flashier. When that titlescreen comes up and you have the remastered Sonic & Knuckles Theme kick-up, it just evokes that feeling of "Holy shit YES. This is exactly what I've been waiting for in a fangame ever since I came to SFGHQ."

That's a good way to describe XG, actually. It's just one "Holy shit YES" moment after another, from the titlescreen, to the "Doomsday Zone" recap, the destruction of Angel Island...

And hopefully, beyond.

If we're going this route, then I'm going to agree with you on XGs presentation, but in terms in gameplay depth, Retro Sonic was the bee's knees. There was more stuff to do, due mainly to it's amount of gimmicks and inventive boss.

Again, there's no real problem with either, but yeah...that's my two cents while we're on the subject.

The Taxman · 08-14-2007, 02:40 AM

*sigh* comparisons, blah blah...

why don't we just make Retro-Sonic XG? hell I'd be willing :P

Overbound · 08-14-2007, 02:41 AM

Because you wouldn't want to but Sega outta business would you?

Slingerland · 08-14-2007, 02:42 AM

Retro Sonic XG Nexus the Hedgehog 4

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*sigh* comparisons, blah blah...

Tried to avoid it...however...it's inevitable around SAGE time.

EDIT: Here's another inevitability:

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Because you wouldn't want to but Sega outta business would you?

Breathe in...breath out hard...congrats...you have just sighed.

The Taxman · 08-14-2007, 02:49 AM

haha you know, the more I think about it the more seriously I think it'd be a good idea... Retro's scripting can recreate all the stuff he has in Final Fall. The requirements of the game would drop dramatically with no slow down, the special stage would actually be 3D (well, mode 7 at least). All the zone's graphics are there, they just need to be put in an editor (which the RSDK is almost done). Maybe i've just gone mad over working too many late nights, but Euan, Nitemate:

I'm putting the offer on the table.

tentril · 08-14-2007, 02:50 AM

Sonic Retro XG Nexus the Hedgehog 4: Crossing Fates.

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Originally Posted by tentril

I don't know if this was a problem that only I experienced, but the controls were really laggy. If I pressed left and right a bunch of times and then stopped Sonic would keep walking around even after I stopped pressing anything. I found jumping very difficult because of this.

So, no one else had this problem? Anyone have any clue why it happens?

08-13-2007, 09:32 PM	#1
Sir Euan iameuangallacher.co.uk Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Glasgow, Scotland ;D SFG Specialty: spriting/level art Current Project: T-shirt designing on my site! Posts: 262	Sonic XG Is Here. A little buggy, too tired to explain, tis 2.30am, was at work today. Me and Joe worked our arses off, enjoy it. HAHAHAHAHAH http://www.williamg.plus.com/SXGWEBSITE/ http://www.williamg.plus.com/SXGWEBSITE/SXGDEMO1.zip PS. oh yeah one bugs is the powerup music is screwy, will fix for demo 2, prolly coming 2012 rael edit: The link above doesn't work, Azu rehosted it for us: http://www.infdrm.e2u.cc/files/Hosted/SXGDEMO1.rar __________________ Last edited by Rael : 09-09-2007 at 11:05 AM.

08-13-2007, 09:45 PM	#3
Sir Euan iameuangallacher.co.uk Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Glasgow, Scotland ;D SFG Specialty: spriting/level art Current Project: T-shirt designing on my site! Posts: 262	holy crap the taxman likes SXG, well hopefully still will after you play it. __________________

08-13-2007, 10:01 PM	#5
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	Graphically very flashy and nice. Level design is fairly classy too. A tad light on gimmicks, and the boss to final fall is a tad plain for my tastes, but whoa the intro for Sonic redoing DDZ from S3K was pretty craze. Kept me entertained until I entered the special stage ring with Knuckles. I assume it always just whites over when that happens. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-13-2007, 10:04 PM	#6
Sir Euan iameuangallacher.co.uk Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Glasgow, Scotland ;D SFG Specialty: spriting/level art Current Project: T-shirt designing on my site! Posts: 262	special stages work fine here =S Sorry, im forgetting stuff to mention cos im nackared. The boss is really only 1/2 complete, needs another attack added. However it is just the first boss, so we didn't want it to be really complex or hard. __________________

08-13-2007, 10:07 PM	#7
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	Yeah, and it did... with Sonic. Then for some reason the screen went white with Knux and it just stayed there. Eh, we had our share of bugs too. Its bound to happen as projects of this scale get more complicated. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-13-2007, 09:42 PM	#2
The Taxman Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 89	Ok played it! I guessed the doomsday zone hehe The graphics and presentation are absolutely top notch, love the menus and title cards. The game really has a feel of continuing on from S3k, awesome. The boss was pretty simple, but the looming Death Egg distracted me hah. Anyway, my only gripe so far is in the special stage. I don't know how you're doing the movement of the objects, but it doesn't look like convincing 3D perspective. Are you using Z values? If not, you should consider using a simple 3D projection equation: ScreenX=(XPosScreenWidth )/ZPos ScreenY=(YPosScreenHeigh t)/ZPos (you may want to use values a bit lower or greater for ScreenWidth and Height if you want to adjust the perspective shape) this should work even without floating point numbers

08-13-2007, 09:59 PM	#4
Tweaker The Sonic Tweaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Current Project: Sonic Retro Posts: 65	Kinky. A bit laggy on my end, but nothing that a bit of optimization couldn't help.

08-13-2007, 10:27 PM	#9
TRD Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,098	Amazing game. The only problems I had was the lagging and the input delay in the second and third act. But other than that, amazing stuff. I always love original music as well, and it was great.

08-13-2007, 10:31 PM	#10
Overbound Time Time Time Join Date: Jul 2006 SFG Specialty: I seem to have a nack for level design and graphics, I do some GML too. Posts: 1,381	Holy... That was by far the best thing that was or was suposed to be at Sage. Just because its what I do I have to think of something bad to say. This was not easy but I thought of 2 things: I'm not big on the walking animation for Sonic and you slide too fast when getting ready to wall jump. Holy shit that is amazing stuff. ... is that SRB2? __________________ SAGE 2010 Demo is up and its a water level so I know everyone will love it.

08-13-2007, 10:36 PM	#11
Spike Can't jump, can kick ass Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lava Reef Zone SFG Specialty: Sprites Current Project: Sonic Panic Posts: 3,071	This is the best. This wins my favorite SAGE submission, as I imagined it would. My only complaints: Final Fall music is really, really short. It looped about 5 times in each act (Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't fade out so long and then stay quiet) Sonic's walking animation is weird. His head and body remain totally stationary while his feet and hands shuffle. You start out in the Doomsday Zone? I know if fits with the story, but it's just... odd... God, what a fungasm. __________________

08-13-2007, 10:38 PM	#12
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	I take it you both missed Retro then. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-13-2007, 10:57 PM	#14
Overbound Time Time Time Join Date: Jul 2006 SFG Specialty: I seem to have a nack for level design and graphics, I do some GML too. Posts: 1,381	No I played Retro its awesome. But it seems like I've been playing Egg Garden for years... oh I have and Emerald hill I've played a few times since 1992 too. Don't get me wrong its got a great engine too better then XG (MMF duh!). But the XG engine works well and I loved the levels it was just fantastic. __________________ SAGE 2010 Demo is up and its a water level so I know everyone will love it.

08-13-2007, 11:02 PM	#15
BlazeHedgehog Wishes it would stay cool Join Date: May 2006 SFG Specialty: Hype and Slacking Off Posts: 860	That's it. It's over. Done. Nobody needs to make another fangame ever again. __________________

08-13-2007, 11:56 PM	#17
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	Well Slingerland, you know people are naturally going to like a simple grassy level more than something that has you underwater for 70% of the level. Its just you know... natural. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-14-2007, 12:12 AM	#20
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	If you got stuck in a wall in Nexus, there is something seriously wrong with your computer. That is not one of the fourtysomething bugs we had. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-14-2007, 12:13 AM	#21
ila Yep Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cornfield of sorts Current Project: Evil the Hedgehog 3 Posts: 2,262	Hey Overbound, Fuck you. You get your jollies out of posting shit topics like this http://www.sonicfangameshq.com/forum...ead.php?t=3235 __________________

08-14-2007, 12:26 AM	#22
Midiman Kind of posting now? Join Date: May 2006 Location: California SFG Specialty: Engine Stuff Current Project: Legends Posts: 2,267	ok my ears are bleeding now, know why? because apparently Knuckles's boss battle requires my sound volume to be at MAX instead of my comfortable 3% =\ __________________ hello.

08-14-2007, 12:42 AM	#24
Neo Hazard Sam and Max quote here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US of A Posts: 166	Great game, had some lag the second act and would've loved to see that scrolling boss, but none the less, it was great. The special stages had an almost addictive effect and the presentation was GREAT. Good work.

08-14-2007, 12:44 AM	#25
Mr. Ksoft Sausage Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: NW Indiana SFG Specialty: Cancelling projects Current Project: Splynch Posts: 143	I just played this. I am speechless. IT IS AMAZING. However, I came across a couple bugs. -As Knuckles, I got to the tube after fighting Nack and didn't enter at a high speed, and kinda got stuck in limbo inside the tube cause I didn't have enough momentum. I couldn't get in or out of the tube, but eventually jerked back and forth enough and it suddenly shot me through at high speed. -After that, I got to the part with the spring upwards where you grab and spin through the horizontal bars. Well, I got to the third one and Knuckles got stuck. I was at the Y position of the bar, and could only walk left and right. I had to reset here to get out. Other than that, I am overcome with insane joy because this is, hands down, the best fangame I've played.

08-14-2007, 01:02 AM	#28
Sindarin The Wise One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Athens - Greece SFG Specialty: everything Posts: 17	This is some great fangame! Love it how it starts from the Doomday zone. I also love the background changing effect when you enter the secret cave. The special stages were very nice presented. My recommendation would be to present the game in fullscreen at start and disable that MMF menu completely. Add an options screen too.

08-14-2007, 01:05 AM	#29
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	Um... no. Fullscreen at startup is retarded. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-14-2007, 01:15 AM	#30
BlazeHedgehog Wishes it would stay cool Join Date: May 2006 SFG Specialty: Hype and Slacking Off Posts: 860	In my opinion, this beats Retro Sonic. Retro Sonic is awesome and everything, but this is driven home by one thing Retro Sonic, so far, ignores: Presentation. Retro Sonic's presentation is decent, certainly. It's not bad. But this? This nails presentation, with it's flashy title cards, new-age-retro visual effects, and just... everything. Starting you out at the end of S3&K in the Doomsday Zone is genius and very reminiscent of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (which starts you out at the final boss of the previous game, Dracula X: Rondo of Blood, to serve as a prologue to the events in SOTN). So what if most of the enemies are just throw-backs to currently existing Sonic stuff? It works, unlike most of the awkward new badniks people try to create. If a gimmick isn't immediately recognizable that it will damage you, well, once it damages you once, you'll know, won't you? That's called learning, and trial-and-error in Sonic games isn't terribly unforgiving. Once I got hit by the swinging ball once, I never got hit by it ever again. Most other fangames seem to get some of the things right - Sonic XG, at least judging by this demo, seems to get pretty much everything right. __________________

08-14-2007, 01:24 AM	#31
Darkwing Duck Let's Get Dangerous. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia SFG Specialty: Object Oriented Programming, game design, level concepts, 3D modeling Current Project: Personal Project, ET:CF Posts: 7,846	I disagree about this having better presentation. Graphics, sure. I mean, its very colorful. But overall, Retro comes off more solid when it comes to how you move and act throughout the stage. Take the smashing spike things for example... the don't seem very similar to any similar gimmick in Sonic with their motion and that results in more rapid, "cheaper" looking deaths. Now, XG has some really nice effects, but for me, the advantages end at graphical effects. __________________ When there's trouble you call DW. *Currently in the process of changing my AIM name. Bear with me.

08-14-2007, 02:40 AM	#36
The Taxman Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 89	sigh comparisons, blah blah... why don't we just make Retro-Sonic XG? hell I'd be willing :P

08-14-2007, 02:41 AM	#37
Overbound Time Time Time Join Date: Jul 2006 SFG Specialty: I seem to have a nack for level design and graphics, I do some GML too. Posts: 1,381	Because you wouldn't want to but Sega outta business would you? __________________ SAGE 2010 Demo is up and its a water level so I know everyone will love it.

08-14-2007, 02:49 AM	#39
The Taxman Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 89	haha you know, the more I think about it the more seriously I think it'd be a good idea... Retro's scripting can recreate all the stuff he has in Final Fall. The requirements of the game would drop dramatically with no slow down, the special stage would actually be 3D (well, mode 7 at least). All the zone's graphics are there, they just need to be put in an editor (which the RSDK is almost done). Maybe i've just gone mad over working too many late nights, but Euan, Nitemate: I'm putting the offer on the table.

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